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  • October 31, 2005 at 3:07 am #39 Reply
    Trippen
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    Did Christophe Colombus really discover America. There must of been others before him the vikings or maybe the chinese from the other side of the world. ❓

    November 12, 2005 at 11:11 pm #4032 Reply
    Phidippides
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    If we’re talking about “discovery” in its absolute sense, then the answer is the first group of people who likely traversed over the Bering Strait. I saw a really interesting show – I think on the Discovery Channel – where a scientiest went all around the world, looking for clues to where man originated, and where he emigrated to. He was able to do this by tracking something in blood samples which give clues as to how old one’s lineage really is.

    I think he theory was that man originated in Africa, and went to other places (Oceana/Australia, Middle East to Europe). Some when up through modern-Mongolia and likely crossed the Bering Strait, I believe because they were following herds that they needed for survival. From there, only a handful of them were needed to keep going south through the Americas.

    It was a fascinating show to watch. I’ll have to dig up a link to the show’s website sometime.

    November 16, 2005 at 7:18 am #4033 Reply
    Nomad
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    It seems likely that America was poulated a few times by different populations before the arival of modern Europeans.

    July 8, 2006 at 4:09 am #4034 Reply
    Stumpfoot
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    It most certainly was not Columbus. Not taking away from his feat of sailing across the atlantic at a time when it was not so easy to do, but I think this whole 'Columbus discovered America' thing is certainly one of the biggest historical myths of all time.  Not only were 'native americans' here but the vikings had made it here long before columbus.

    September 9, 2006 at 6:51 am #4035 Reply
    sacx13
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    If was not Columbus then we need to have some manuscripts or some old maps or something. Do you know something about some proves like that ? Regards

    September 15, 2006 at 7:36 pm #4036 Reply
    Stumpfoot
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    I will have to get back to you but I know thee has been extensive research and archeological digging that has showed beyond a doubt that the Vikings were here begore colombus. And as far as the American Indian that goes with out saying. Maybe he was the first italian? 😀

    May 13, 2007 at 11:53 pm #4037 Reply
    Phidippides
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    Did Christophe Colombus really discover America. There must of been others before him the vikings or maybe the chinese from the other side of the world. ❓

    Ok i am only 13 but i know it was named after Amerigo Vesspuci

    May 14, 2007 at 1:03 am #4038 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Ok i am only 13 but i know it was named after Amerigo Vesspuci

    You are most correct sir.  He mapped the North American continent and did a remarkable job at that considering he didn't have satellite imaging like we do nowadays.

    May 14, 2007 at 1:10 am #4039 Reply
    Wally
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    Did Christophe Colombus really discover America. There must of been others before him the vikings or maybe the chinese from the other side of the world. ❓

    A case can be made for both ideas you propose… however the roving hunters coming across from Asia are the real deal. C2 gets the nod because his discovery because of the connection to Europe and they my friends, are the ones that write the history that we read.

    You are most correct sir.  He mapped the North American continent and did a remarkable job at that considering he didn't have satellite imaging like we do nowadays.

    According to Menzies' excellent book, 1421, both Vespucci and the other European cartographers had something better… Chinese (or Chinese based) maps that predate any voyages of C2.Wally

    May 14, 2007 at 1:15 am #4040 Reply
    Phidippides
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    I recall reading about a Chinese map but I thought it was of uncertain origin and there was criticism raised that it was a fake.  I believe this issue has been raised within the last few years.

    May 14, 2007 at 1:46 am #4041 Reply
    Wally
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    I recall reading about a Chinese map but I thought it was of uncertain origin and there was criticism raised that it was a fake.  I believe this issue has been raised within the last few years.

    Quite correct; while no smoking gun the case made in 1421 is compelling and well defended, for the Chinese theory. Well worth the read, it was very hard to put down.Wally

    May 14, 2007 at 5:05 am #4042 Reply
    Stumpfoot
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    It is hard to beleive that hundreds if not thousands of years could go by and no one new about the western hemisphere? columbus was a latecomer.

    June 9, 2007 at 8:32 pm #4043 Reply
    skiguy
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    Which came first? The chicken or Columbus  ;D (sorry, couldn't resist)Why did the chicken cross the Pacific?

    IT MAY have been the Americas' first takeaway chook. A chicken leg unearthed in Chile has provided overwhelming evidence that Polynesians reached the Americas at least a century before Columbus.

    June 9, 2007 at 10:29 pm #4044 Reply
    Phidippides
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    I have no idea how those Polynesians supposedly sailed across open ocean to South America.  If they could do it, you'd think they also would have built structures in Chile that we could find remnants of today.  According to that article Polynesians were in Chile in the Middle Ages….recent enough that you'd think we could find traces of their settlements there, if they had any.

    October 7, 2007 at 3:50 pm #4045 Reply
    Wally
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    I have no idea how those Polynesians supposedly sailed across open ocean to South America.  If they could do it, you'd think they also would have built structures in Chile that we could find remnants of today.  According to that article Polynesians were in Chile in the Middle Ages….recent enough that you'd think we could find traces of their settlements there, if they had any.

    Ah… a (pre-Columbus day) Sunday morning stroll through the archieves… the Polynesian chicken is more likely a Chinese chicken according to Menzies in 1421….And how about the Kensington Stone; looking more like it might be the real deal?

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