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  • November 19, 2005 at 7:47 pm #75 Reply
    nemesisenforcer
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    This may not be the proper forum to post this on since it’s not truly “history” but a theory about contemporary events, but I figured it’s as good a place as any to have some smart eyes look over it.

    Anyway, this is a theory I’ve been playing with for some time now. I’m looking for intelligent and reasonable criticism, not an echo chamber or irrational denunciations from the tinfoil hat crowd.

    OK, here goes:
    1.) It would not matter one iota if we had found all the weapons of mass destruction in the world in Iraq. The geostrategic and domestic situations would be identical no matter the stage of development or possession of WMDs. Take that assertion at face value and let me back up a bit.

    Does anyone rationally believe that if we had found stockpiles of fully armed and functional nuclear, biological and chemical weapons in Iraq, the terrorists would not be there right now? In other words, if moments after the invasion when we hypothetically found all these banned weapons Zarqawi and the rest of the terrorists would have said to themselves “”Well, Bush was right. There really were all those wepons. We can’t go fight the US there now because we’ll look like the jerks instead of the other way around if there had been no weapons”? Put another way, does anyone really believe that the terrorists gave a tinker’s damn about Saddam’s weapons of the lack thereof as a pretext to fight us?

    2.) The same applies to the “lack of international support” the war has. First of all, we all know this is a preposterous lie. But even if it is true, would it matter to Al Queda or Hamas or Islamic Jihad or any other dark age terrorist if the UN had voted unanimously (Iraq included) for the war? Would they not be fighting us and killing Iraqis if France had sent in an infantry corps or two? Would they not be waging war against us if Israel had abstained or even opposed Operation Iraqi Freedom?

    3.) To the home front: any and all domestic and international opposition to the war would be exactly the same even if the WMD situation had been as described as above. In fact, it could conceivably be worse. Think about it: the Left would be able to claim “Mission accomplished” so to speak if we had found the WMDs gift wrapped for us after the invasion. “The causus belli has been removed” they would claim and be even more insistent that we bring the troops home and end the “occupation” (which would have suddenly turned “lawful” either by UN approval or the discovery of the fabled weapons.) Discovery of the weapons would have impelled them to mount Bring Home the Troops movements even sooner. Imagine Cindy Sheehan in this alternate scenario we have been discussing: “The weapons were found. Saddam was removed from power. America’s objectives are accomplished. George Bush murdered my son for absolutely nothing. The troops need to come home now. Right now.” Discovery of fully armed and operational weapons could theoretically have given the Left the moral high ground in the post-war debate.

    Beyond that, it is plain that most of the people who have been inverately opposed to the war (ANSWER, MoveOn.org, Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Socialist parties the world over, etc.) would oppose the war no matter the outcome, reason, prosecution, presence of terrorists, or anything. They are contrary for contrariness’s sake.

    In conclusion: the international and domestic situations would be unchanged even if the hunt for WMDs had turned up exactly what we thought it should.

    Thoughts?

    November 19, 2005 at 8:33 pm #4505 Reply
    Joe
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    I agree Zarqawi would have still gone to Iraq along with others baed on the premise that we are invading their lands as infidels. Zarqawi was in Afganistan in 2002 running his terrorist camp until the Taliban fell and he fled to Iraq assuming the US would invade Iraq. Zarqawi’s goal was to create a wedge between the Sunni’s and the Shiite’s whether or not WMD’s were found.

    I think that if WMD’s were found it would have weakened the withdrawl movement on the homefront. If hte mission was accomplished and it was proven that there were in fact WMD’s mny of the senators that voted for war would have a lot ot gain. Like the saying goes “Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan.”

    Great post nemesisenforcer.

    February 17, 2011 at 9:48 am #4506 Reply
    scout1067
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    Now will this story change the way the logic for the Iraq war is percieved and will people finally admit that Bush acted on what he thought was the truth at the time and did not delberately lie?  Iraqi defector admits lying about WMD claims

    February 17, 2011 at 10:15 am #4507 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Isn't this old news? Didn't he admit, or we determined, that he lied?  I remember reading about this a few years ago.

    February 17, 2011 at 10:33 am #4508 Reply
    scout1067
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    I think this is the first time the actual guy that provided the information has admitted that he deliberatly to intellignece agants and the reason he did so.I don't expect this new to change the minds of anybody that has Bush Derangement Sydrome though.

    February 17, 2011 at 3:31 pm #4509 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    The only thing changed is that it has turned into Palin Derangement Syndrome

    February 17, 2011 at 6:02 pm #4510 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    The only thing changed is that it has turned into Palin Derangement Syndrome

    Too true! ;D

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