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  • This topic has 166 replies, 17 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 6 months ago by From Bulgaria.
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  • January 14, 2009 at 8:03 am #14114 Reply
    ziklama
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    Zetarun,Thank you for bringing some sense and rationality in the discussion!How sad, you have not been understood…For me, intentionally or not, you brought out the most important part (in my opinion) of the suggested topic, left behind in the long thread, namely “forgotten”.ipchuk,Thank you for taking the time to lay down objectively and professionally your opinion. I hope you won't be accused of manipulating the sources.ivkhan,A big thank you for speaking from your heart! THAT counts  🙂

    January 14, 2009 at 3:30 pm #14115 Reply
    ivkhan
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      Thank you very much to all honest people, who supported me! I have written, that if somebody wants to refute me, has to delete the existing of bulgarian states in early middle ages in Europe. It is impossible. Let, every honest person, who knows something about the topic to write and to clear the truth! Here, not only the siege of Konstantinopol is important, there are many others big bulgarian deeds for Europe. I have written about them.  Here are some known current european professors, who confirm my words and estimate bulgarian deeds for Europe :  1-proffesor Roger Bernard – France  2-professor Sante Graciotti – Italy  3-professor Dimitry Likhachov – Russia  4-professor Juri Oleanik – Russia  5-professor Imre Tot – Hungary  6-professor Sh. Moline – France  7-professor Ziegel – Germany  8-professor Georgi Bakalov – Bulgaria  9-professor Bozhidar Dimitrov – Bulgaria     Bulgarian historians Peter Dobrev, Boris Cholpanov and many others.   Many people can confirm that Bulgaria is a saver of Europe. But I repeat, not only the siege of Konstantinopol is important. Do not forget that in early middle ages bulgarians created 3 big and powerful states in Europe!

    January 14, 2009 at 4:02 pm #14116 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Okay Ivkhan, your sources are good enough for me, but then again, I suspect if I tried I could find 1000 sources to the contrary, but I won't since Bulgaria needs its day in the sun apparently. 🙂

    January 15, 2009 at 10:29 am #14117 Reply
    scout1067
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    I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

    January 15, 2009 at 10:55 am #14118 Reply
    ivkhan
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    I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

      No, you are totaly wrong! This topic has not been into the ground! On contrary! The truth is always on the ground! If you could not to see it, the problem is only yours!

    January 15, 2009 at 4:34 pm #14119 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    So somebody tell me the difference between a Magyar and a Bulgar?  Inquiring minds want to know. 🙂

    January 16, 2009 at 7:25 am #14120 Reply
    scout1067
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    I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

       No, you are totaly wrong! This topic has not been into the ground! On contrary! The truth is always on the ground! If you could not to see it, the problem is only yours!

    ivkhan,  you seem to think I am running down the Bulgars as a people, I am not.  I am however disputing your claim that they “saved” Europe.  I dont htink you are right and have laid out why.  You have not countered my argument you just say I am not right.  Could you please explain why I am wrong without getting excited and using exclamation points at the end of every sentence?

    January 16, 2009 at 8:14 am #14121 Reply
    ivkhan
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    I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

       No, you are totaly wrong! This topic has not been into the ground! On contrary! The truth is always on the ground! If you could not to see it, the problem is only yours!

    ivkhan,  you seem to think I am running down the Bulgars as a people, I am not.  I am however disputing your claim that they “saved” Europe.  I dont htink you are right and have laid out why.  You have not countered my argument you just say I am not right.  Could you please explain why I am wrong without getting excited and using exclamation points at the end of every sentence?

      Excuse me scout1067, here you are right! I will represent examples and we/all/ to know better bulgarian history, only will win. Thank you for your attention and excuse me again!

    January 16, 2009 at 3:44 pm #14122 Reply
    cadremum
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    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/21/chariot-bulgaria.htmlThis is a great discovery from 2008.

    February 17, 2009 at 3:32 pm #14123 Reply
    ivkhan
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    I too, have decided to leave this topic alone.  It has been run into the ground.

       No, you are totaly wrong! This topic has not been into the ground! On contrary! The truth is always on the ground! If you could not to see it, the problem is only yours!

    ivkhan,  you seem to think I am running down the Bulgars as a people, I am not.  I am however disputing your claim that they “saved” Europe.  I dont htink you are right and have laid out why.  You have not countered my argument you just say I am not right.  Could you please explain why I am wrong without getting excited and using exclamation points at the end of every sentence?

       Excuse me scout1067, here you are right! I will represent examples and we/all/ to know better bulgarian history, only will win. Thank you for your attention and excuse me again!

      Hi, I am here again, after a little break. Now I will start one theme about bulgarian origin. It turned out, that Bulgarians are Thracians and this enough to be told the world that Bulgarians are given the base of the European civilization, because The Thracians are the creators of the bigest neolith culture and civilization in Europe. All next civilizations-Greek, Roman, Modern etc. are borrowed many things from Thracians-mean Bulgarians. And do not forget middle ages, about them I have writen and you ignored, deliberately, many things, like “Bogomili”, like  bulgarian contribution for slav world etc. Yes, You made attention of khan Tervel, but here you underestimated a little his contribution. I have not enogh time to write, but other persons will explain you many things about the forgotten savers of Europe – the Bulgarians. May be some persons will write, for example, in french language. This persons will give you many sources about the thracians origin of Bulgarians. It is a pity, that I could not continue, but I have to provide the subsistence of my family. In Bulgaria this is a very hard thing. If you know better Bulgarian History, you only will win!

    February 17, 2009 at 4:03 pm #14124 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Okay so now the Bulgarians were originally Greeks…Thracians=Greeks.  Now I've heard everything. 🙂

    February 17, 2009 at 8:04 pm #14125 Reply
    scout1067
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    Not gonna touch it with a ten-foot pole.  My forehead is still bleeding from last time.  I will just accept his claims at face value and leave it at that.

    February 17, 2009 at 11:15 pm #14126 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    It turned out, that Bulgarians are Thracians

    Um, how is it even remotely possible to know this? The Thracian language and culture went extinct after the invasions of the Celts, Goths, Huns etc. LINK  Without written records there is absolutely no way to prove Bulgarians are of Thracian origin. (unless you all made a huge archeological find recently we're not aware of)By the way, are you and your friends here learning all this from your teachers? I'm not trying to insult you or your instructors. All I'm suggesting is to be careful of and know the difference between history and propaganda, ivkhan.

    February 18, 2009 at 2:55 pm #14127 Reply
    ivkhan
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    Okay so now the Bulgarians were originally Greeks…Thracians=Greeks.  Now I've heard everything. 🙂

    Donald Baker, I could not believe that you can say such nonsense! I think, that there is something suspicious in your statement! I am sure that you know who are the Thracians! Now I will explain for the nonspecialists. The language shows everything. Old greek language and modern greek language have cases or greek language is a synthetic language. Bulgarian language has not cases. Bulgarian language has complitly different structure, it is an analytic language. The base of one language is the structure or the grammer. Yes, there are records of the literary old bulgarian language, where there are cases, but this are the records of the imposed for official slav language in Bulgaria in 9 centure. This is not the language of the people, then and now. The proof is that now Bulgarian language has not cases. The grammer, the structure of one languge could not be changed. Donald, it is enough what i said and I do not receive any other nonsenses from you or from anybody else!

    February 18, 2009 at 11:45 pm #14128 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Okay so now the Bulgarians were originally Greeks…Thracians=Greeks.  Now I've heard everything. 🙂

    Donald Baker, I could not believe that you can say such nonsense! I think, that there is something suspicious in your statement! I am sure that you know who are the Thracians! Now I will explain for the nonspecialists. The language shows everything. Old greek language and modern greek language have cases or greek language is a synthetic language. Bulgarian language has not cases. Bulgarian language has complitly different structure, it is an analytic language. The base of one language is the structure or the grammer. Yes, there are records of the literary old bulgarian language, where there are cases, but this are the records of the imposed for official slav language in Bulgaria in 9 centure. This is not the language of the people, then and now. The proof is that now Bulgarian language has not cases. The grammer, the structure of one languge could not be changed. Donald, it is enough what i said and I do not receive any other nonsenses from you or from anybody else!

    I apologize.  The Thracians are officially Bulgarian in my book.  Case closed. 🙂

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