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  • November 24, 2009 at 3:49 am #16996 Reply
    H.H. Buggfuzz
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    Today there was a package and a note found at the motor pool at Ft Benning.  The package contained 20 hollow point cartridges and a note saying that if the Ft Hood shooter's charges were not dropped that there will be a reenactment at Ft BenningMeanwhile I have started reading the Koran to see what we are up against.  I believe in knowing the enemy.

    November 24, 2009 at 9:08 am #16997 Reply
    scout1067
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    Latest update:  This guy's lawyer is talking about perhaps using the insanity defense. Atty: Fort Hood suspect may use insanity defense  Another example of what is wrong with America, the simple fact that his weasel lawyer even thinks an insanity defense might fly.  Given the recent record in American courst it just well might fly at that.  I wonder how this lawyer sleeps at night as well as the lawyers defending KSM?

    November 24, 2009 at 2:16 pm #16998 Reply
    Wally
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    Insanity is no defense, at least according to a former colleague; by most peoples definition one is crazy if the go about killing folks for whatever reason (conventional wisdom is that to take a life you need a very good reason). Judge the man on the reason… I don't want to go to war and think my religion is better than yours… pi$$ poor reason! Guilty of murder; execution.Side note: back when my state used to used the gas chamber the saying was, “Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh what a relief it is.”

    January 2, 2010 at 9:06 pm #16999 Reply
    scout1067
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    Given what happened Christmas day in the air approaching detroit I though I would revive this thread by paraphrasing something Ann Coulter had in this week's column that struck as paritcularly apt given the hopes the adminstration is jumping through to close the barn door again.

    The one security precaution the Federal government has refused to consider is to require extra screening for passengers who look like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes

    Ann is usually good for a laugh but every once in awhile she hits it, this is one of those times.Here are some updates on Hasan.  Aint it horrible how badly we treat suspected terrorists caught in th act?  islamic justice is so much more humane. 😉Hasan's lawyer says he was denied access at BAMCApparently the clown in Detroit has been talking to Hasan's Imam in Yemen too. AP: Muslim cleric who communicated with terror suspect born in LC, and Terror, not just for adults anymoreWe, as a nation wont learn, if 9/11 did not teach us anything.  Guys flying airliners into buildings or shoot people at medical pre-deployment center in cold blood screaming Allahu Akhbar are just tolerant representatives of the religion of peace, it is Christians who are intolerant right? ???

    January 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm #17000 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    We, as a nation wont learn, if 9/11 did not teach us anything.  Guys flying airliners into buildings or shoot people at medical pre-deployment center in cold blood screaming Allahu Akhbar are just tolerant representatives of the religion of peace, it is Christians who are intolerant right? ???

    I think that sooner or later people won't stand all the screening at airports like they have, especially when the criminals have fit certain profiles that the majority of Americans do not fit.  From what I know of it, I think that something more akin to the Israeli form of screening would work better.

    January 4, 2010 at 6:55 pm #17001 Reply
    scout1067
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    The Israeli's don't profile they personally interview and do background checks on every single passenger before they are allowed to board.  I don't think that is practical in the US, simply too many people are flying.  I think eventually there will be profiling but then the terrorists will just find little old ladies to carry their bombs for them.

    January 4, 2010 at 7:43 pm #17002 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Right – I think the Israeli system works quite well when one considers Israel's enemies.  I'd imagine that the same number of people go through that airport that go through many large cities in the U.S., even if it's fewer than the major U.S. airports like O'Hare or JFK or Atlanta.  But the alternative is that we're going to be getting more and more levels of screening in the U.S. anyway despite the high number people flying these days.

    January 4, 2010 at 7:54 pm #17003 Reply
    scout1067
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    The strategy to pick is risk reduction not total screening.  America's obsession with PC will be part of our demise.  It  is young Muslim men committing terrorist attacks against us, should we not then focus our efforts on screening those guys even if it offends some people?  The object is to save lives not feelings.  Current security methods are a joke and a sop to the PC lobby.  All it takes to get a bomb past screening is a little imagination, and believe me they are imaginative.  We will not stop terrorists at the point they board airplanes, it is investigative work beforehand that will stop them.  I would like to know how many genuine terrorist attacks have been stopped at an airport security checkpoint?  My gut tells me it is zero.  The liquid bombers in England were caught by good old detective work, I dont think I have ever heard of an actual terrorist being caught by screening, but I have heard plenty of stories about innocent people being harassed by inept screeners.

    January 5, 2010 at 12:32 am #17004 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I think that the wise thing is risk reduction and more intelligent screening.  Something more akin to the Israeli methods should be considered, along with at least some profiling.  The blanket screening that goes on right now is obviously flawed from a practical standpoint but coheres with political correctness.  I would imagine that at least some small-scale criminals have been caught by screening, but obviously the bigger benefit is that it has undoubtedly prevented terrorists from even trying to get onto airplanes.  The fact that Al Qaeda is continuing to try to thwart airport screeners is evidence that they continue to want to board.

    January 5, 2010 at 8:24 am #17005 Reply
    scout1067
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    The events of Christmas day bely the notion that screening has prevented terrorists from getting on airplanes.  It has undoubtedly slowed them down but not stopped them, just forced them to be more inventive.

    January 5, 2010 at 5:03 pm #17006 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Yes, obviously they keep trying and the method has its weaknesses, and I am saying that these weaknesses are part of the larger problem.  But I don't think that it means screening has not prevented terrorists from getting on planes; rather it means that it has not prevented all terrorists from getting on planes.  My argument is that the after-the-fact steps that airports take in light of events like the one on Christmas are problematic, and the system could be improved to be more efficient and effective.

    January 5, 2010 at 7:47 pm #17007 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    Down south where I am from we call that closing the barn door after the horse has already left the stall.  Airport security is eyewash, if the terrorists want to get through bad enough they will figure out a way to do it.

    April 14, 2010 at 8:29 am #17008 Reply
    scout1067
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    Here is a quick update on what is going on with Hasan.  Fort Hood Suspect to Be Kept Isolated in Jail   Apparently he is now well enough to travel back to Bell County to face his Art. 32 and eventual Court Martial.  If we are lucky they will seek the Death Penalty for this clown, I would volunteer to be on the firing squad.  It is not as if there is much question about whether he is the guy or not.

    April 28, 2010 at 2:09 pm #17009 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    Here is another update that prompts me to ask a question.  The headline to this tory says a lot.  Obama administration defies congressional subpoena on Fort Hood documents  If you read the story, congress wants the Pentagon to turn over documents from the investigation of the  shooting and the Pentagon and the Obama Adminstrationrefuses because their relaease might jeopardize the case.  I have to admit I agree with Obama and the Pentagon here.  What possible use could congress get out of these documents now that they could not get out of them after Hasan's trial?  There is also the question of this may not just hurt the prosecution it may hurt the defense as well.  There is no reason to believe that these documents wont go public before his CM.  If they do, then they will probably not be admissible as evidence either for or against.  Obama's Adminstration and DoD are making the right call here and Congress is not making any sense asking for them.

    April 28, 2010 at 2:41 pm #17010 Reply
    Wally
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    Seems to me the Army should have the lead in this. Congress can have oversight during the appeal process when the evidence has been presented and they won't compomise it.Stems, IMHO, from Congressional Hubris; something to do with being the first branch of gov't mentioned in the Const., perhaps. That is for another thread though… must remeber to include a discussion of this in the Const. thread.  8)[…this would be better but lost the long version in edit… 🙁 ]

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