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May 16, 2008 at 7:09 am #1064
Phidippides
KeymasterDefine the High Middle Ages and the Low Middle Ages and describe how they differ from one another.
May 17, 2008 at 12:04 am #11202DonaldBaker
ParticipantThe Low Middle Ages was a period of transition Europe underwent in the wake of the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The High Middle Ages was a period of transition Europe underwent after the rise of the Carolingian Dynasties culminating in the expulsion of Islam from Western Europe. It can be argued that the rise of the “nation-state” system occured during the High Middle Ages with the formation of France, Spain, and England. Not my area, but that's my best guess.
August 23, 2008 at 7:22 pm #11203Phidippides
KeymasterThat's a pretty good timeline. I would add that there were a few other things that can distinguish the Low and High Middle Ages – significant urban, technological, and economic expansion. In fact I would go so far as to say it paralleled the Industrial Revolution in a sense as one advancement would lead to advancements in a related field which would bring advancements in another area. Key here was economic vigor within markets which brought wealth to people and towns. This, of course, is only really possible under a government which provides security and stability.
August 23, 2008 at 7:29 pm #11204skiguy
ModeratorCould we also say there was more societal orderin the High Middle Ages? Also, what about the rise of kingdoms and imperialism or imperialistic goals?
August 23, 2008 at 8:11 pm #11205Phidippides
KeymasterI think inherent with the notion of “imperialism” is that of geographic expansionism into new lands. Obviously we saw it in Rome when it took over the Mediterranean world and beyond, as well as in Muslim conquests of the 7th century. Charlemagne seems to have consolidated his holdings but didn't really go beyond them into new territories. I don't know that you see this so much during the High Middle Ages either.
August 23, 2008 at 11:14 pm #11206Wally
ParticipantThe following descriptions are after Mysteries of the Middle Ages (Thomas Cahill; Anchor Books) page 63…Early Middle Ages (so-called Dark Ages) 4th-11th Centuries;Accession of Constantine in 312 to the increase (in Europe) of scholarship, commerce, and the size of cities.High Middle Ages: 12th and 13th Centuries to the first half of the 14th;From the beginnings of the 12th century Renaissance to the Black Death in 1347.Late Middle Ages: 2nd half of the 14th through the 15th Century;From the Black Death until the first voyage of Columbus. I read this a few months back; like all his books, very thought provoking and well done.FWIW,Wally
August 23, 2008 at 11:37 pm #11207Phidippides
KeymasterI think that goes to show that classifications in history are the result of historians looking back and trying to make sense of things. Italy experienced its "Renaissance" clearly in the 15th century, and even back into the 14th century, which would suggest that the Middle Ages was waning during this time. However, Cahill says the Middle Ages continue through the 15th century. That said, different geographical areas did not experience the same cultural phenomena at the same time, so the Middle Ages likely continued later further north in the Frankish lands than it did further south.
August 23, 2008 at 11:54 pm #11208Wally
ParticipantI too was uneasy about his divisions… disregarding the nomenclature, he makes a good case for the beginnings of the growth and modernization that we associate with the classical Renaissance rather earlier than we are used to. In all, it is a terrific read.I'm still going to teach the 15th century norm.... 8)
August 25, 2008 at 12:23 am #11209DonaldBaker
ParticipantI have a serious problem with Constantine being placed as the beginning of the Early Middle Ages. Constantine belongs in the Classical Age because he is a part of the story of Christianity's rise….not a Middle Age oriented theme no?
August 25, 2008 at 12:35 am #11210Wally
ParticipantPoint well taken; that's why we have horse races, eh?I'm impressed with Cahill's book but truth be told it's a bit of a stretch for me too in some areas.Wallyedit for spelling of author name...
August 25, 2008 at 4:11 am #11211Phidippides
KeymasterGood catch, Donnie – I agree on that one. The 4th century is far too early for the Dark Ages/Low Middle Ages to begin. Even if the Western Empire did show its signs of weakness in this century the real decay occurred in the 5th century.
August 25, 2008 at 12:20 pm #11212Wally
Participant…check out his work, eh?
December 1, 2009 at 1:03 am #11213skiguy
ModeratorHigh middle ages = intellectual expansion. Increased literacy, and codified laws.
December 12, 2009 at 1:46 am #11214DonaldBaker
ParticipantHigh middle ages = intellectual expansion. Increased literacy, and codified laws.
I can see this.
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