• Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar
  • Skip to footer

WCF

History, politics, and culture articles and forum discussions.

You are here: Home / Topics / Obama and JFK

- By

Obama and JFK

Home › Forums › Recent American History › Obama and JFK

  • This topic has 8 voices and 18 replies.
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 20 total)
1 2 →
  • Author
    Posts
  • August 29, 2008 at 3:43 pm #1230 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Here's something interesting:

    During his 42 minute long acceptance address Barack Obama never explicitly addressed questions some voters might have about his race. As the NYT has pointed out, no one at the convention did all week long. His approach was sharply different than John Kennedy's in 1960.

    http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/53892.htmlAt first I thought this was just an implicit defense of Obama.  But I think the article is correct.  Obama could have assured people on the public stage that he wouldn't govern as a “black” president but instead as a president for “all”.  Kennedy discussed his Catholicism to the public in his address.Why do you think Obama didn't address this issue but Kennedy did?  Or is this like comparing apples to oranges because Obama was dealing with race and JFK was dealing with religion – and a particular religion at that which some could argue would essentially make him subject to a foreign state/power? 

    August 29, 2008 at 4:54 pm #12761 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Kennedy's Catholicism was a big issue for him back then. And he handled it well in conveying his message. I think race is a big issue for only a few, most of us don't care, although some on Obama's side ARE making a big issue of it (Sharpton, Jesse J, and Michelle). I think the two (race and religion) can be compared here and Obama pales in comparison in his handling of it. 

    August 30, 2008 at 1:12 am #12762 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I think you're right that Obama doesn't make a big deal of it but it does seem to be stressed by others – I think in the media to a great degree. 

    September 1, 2008 at 3:57 pm #12763 Reply
    DonaldBaker
    Participant

    Obama doesn't need to “deal” with his race.  The only ones concerned with race are the bigots in sheets.  I don't think Obama would govern as a “black man” as if governing that way would be “evil” or something.  I think he would govern as a leftist who wants to redistribute the wealth away from the “rich” and more toward the poor.  Race is not a factor or he wouldn't even have made it this far.

    September 9, 2008 at 8:55 am #12764 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    Once again, I have to agree with Don on this.  I find it curious that the only ones bringing up race in this campaign are on the left, so who is concerned about race.  I think this race is about competence and policy views, not race or gender.

    September 9, 2008 at 12:09 pm #12765 Reply
    Wally
    Participant

    100% agreed.

    September 9, 2008 at 3:36 pm #12766 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I should make it clear here that I wasn't suggesting Obama bring this up as an issue.  What I was more interested in was his campaign's decision not to address the issue, which suggests it doesn't think voters think race is an impediment to supporting him.  In other words it shows how culture has “evolved”.That said, I have read in the media that race will still matter when people go in to vote.  I recall one article which stated that in the past some black candidates for major office have received fewer actual votes than what pre-vote polling indicated they would get.  The implication was that voters might say one thing about a black candidate but not necessarily follow through with that.This divergence between the campaign's view of voters and the media's reporting on voting habits is interesting.  Who is right?

    September 17, 2008 at 5:07 pm #12767 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Obama doesn't need to “deal” with his race.  The only ones concerned with race are the bigots in sheets.

    I agree with your first sentence.  Not so sure about the second one….it seems to be a concern by leftists as well (as in “why aren't more people favoring him?”).Cafferty: Obama: Race a factor?

    September 18, 2008 at 10:50 pm #12768 Reply
    DonaldBaker
    Participant

    Cafferty is just trying to pre-emptively make an excuse for why Obama is going to lose.

    September 19, 2008 at 5:56 pm #12769 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Kinda difficult to claim racism when blacks protest Obama's speech. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=178233&comments=1

    September 22, 2008 at 10:29 am #12770 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    As long as anybody continues to make race an issue it will continue to be one.  We will all know that the civil rights struggle is over when Race is not even mentioned.  It seems to me that these days race is only brought up as a prelude to pointing out exceptionalism by memebers of whichever race they are talking about.  The wonder shouldnt be that Obama is a smart black man, if you think about it that is actually taking away from him.  By that thinking he deserves merit not because of accomplishments, but because of his race.  The irony of the whole thing is that the people making the most noise about race are the Sharpton's, and Jackson's of this world.  Most white people are color-blind in my experience.  It almost seems as if black American's cant accept that they are now expected to perform at the same level as everyone else, they have achieved equality of expectation, and are now pointing at others as a way of masking their own failures.  I should not be surprised as most Black Americans are Democrats and these are the tactics the Democrats have used since at least the great depression to blind the public.  Nobody forces Black people to have their own unique culture, they and everyone else, is more than welcome in the mainstream, the choice is theirs.It seems to me that what EVERYONE needs to do is take responsibility for themselves and stop worrying so much about what their neighbors do or have.  If we, as Americans, could do this, then race, and many other problems would quickly dissappear.

    September 24, 2008 at 1:01 am #12771 Reply
    quikdraw67
    Participant

    I am voting for McCain, so I guess you could say I am voting against Obama.But the reason I do NOT want Obama as POTUS has nothing to do with his color, name, rumors of his religion, etc etc etc..He could be white, with red hair, green eyes, and have freckles, and be named Seamus Patrick O'Hoilihan and I would not vote for him, simply because he is a Lib.Race means diddily, a man's values are what counts.  and I abhor Obama's values.

    September 24, 2008 at 4:32 am #12772 Reply
    Wally
    Participant

    Good comment. A person has a personal culture and like their large (shared) culture is is 10% visible behaviors and 90% invisible values… we find out about a person and their values based on the behaviors… sometimes the two are inconsistent; other times spot on… if it walks like a duck….Obama quacks.

    October 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm #12773 Reply
    TOMCALGARY
    Participant

    Obama doesn't need to “deal” with his race.  The only ones concerned with race are the bigots in sheets.  I don't think Obama would govern as a “black man” as if governing that way would be “evil” or something.  I think he would govern as a leftist who wants to redistribute the wealth away from the “rich” and more toward the poor.  Race is not a factor or he wouldn't even have made it this far.

    You get my “most racist sounding post” award. I'm sure it was not intentional, nor reflect any deep seeded racial prejudices. 🙂 Explain to a white faced innoscent canuck how would a “black man” govern?ps the USA needs to move left for it's own good, seriously social programs freakin rule dude! Am I my brothers keeper? = Universal Healthcare, yes or no?

    October 16, 2008 at 12:49 am #12774 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    the USA needs to move left for it's own good, seriously social programs freakin rule dude!

    Yeah, right, for its own good.  ::) Here in the USA, we support the unpopular concept of working and personal responsibility more than we do “social programs” (although I fear if Obama's elected, that will change real fast)Welcome to Western Civ BTW.  🙂

  • Author
    Posts
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 20 total)
1 2 →
Reply To: Reply #12774 in Obama and JFK
Your information:




Primary Sidebar

Login

Log In
Register Lost Password

Blog Categories

Search blog articles

Before Footer

  • Did Julian the Apostate’s plan ever have a chance?

    Julian the Apostate stands as an enigmatic figure among Roman emperors, ascending to power in 361 AD …

    Read More

    Did Julian the Apostate’s plan ever have a chance?
  • The Babylonian Bride

    Marriage customs in Ancient Babylon Ancient Babylonia was a society, which, although it did not …

    Read More

    The Babylonian Bride
  • The fall of Athens

    In 407 B.C. and again in 405 B.C.. the Spartans in alliance with their old enemies, the Persians, …

    Read More

    The fall of Athens

Footer

Posts by topic

2016 Election Alexander Hamilton American Revolution archaeology Aristotle Ben Franklin Black Americans Charles Dickens Christianity Christmas Constantine Custer's Last Stand Egypt email engineering England forum security Founding Fathers France future history George Washington Germany Greece hacker Hitler Industrial Revolution Ireland James Madison Jewish medieval military history Paleolithic philosophy pilgrimage Rome Russia SEO Slavery Socrates spammer technology Trump World War I World War II Year In Review

Recent Topics

  • Midsummer Night: June 25th
  • Testing out a new feature
  • Did Julian the Apostate’s plan ever have a chance?
  • Release of the JFK Files
  • What was the greatest military advancement of all time?

RSS Ancient News

Recent Forum Replies

  • Going to feature old posts
  • What’s new?
  • Testing out a new feature
  • Testing out a new feature
  • Testing out a new feature

Copyright © 2025 · Contact

Insert/edit link

Enter the destination URL

Or link to existing content

    No search term specified. Showing recent items. Search or use up and down arrow keys to select an item.