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  • January 3, 2009 at 9:11 pm #4061 Reply
    Phidippides
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    B.Sykes is the Geneticist you refer to Phillipedes, I believe.

    There's a picture of Sykes here and he's not the one who I saw in the program.  I did a search and can't seem to find out the name of the correct person, but I did find that multiple people seem to specialize in the history of the human race at the level of DNA.

    January 4, 2009 at 12:08 am #4062 Reply
    cadremum
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    I have no idea how those Polynesians supposedly sailed across open ocean to South America.  If they could do it, you'd think they also would have built structures in Chile that we could find remnants of today.  According to that article Polynesians were in Chile in the Middle Ages….recent enough that you'd think we could find traces of their settlements there, if they had any.

    Start  with Heyerdahl and his voyage on the Kon Tiki, to prove that P. came from South Am. He made the trip but sadly turns out he was wrong.[flash=200,200]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl[/flash]From “Daughters of Eve” ch.7 pg.103-104″The first Europeans to reach Ploynesia saw canoes over 30 meters long, and smaller version still used today. The double hull prevents capsizing in the same way as an outrigger on a catamaran. The vessels had a prow at each end, and so it could be tacked across the wind and then reversed without turning round. These were the vessels that carried the Polynesians into the Pacific……complimentary and equally crucial navigational skills…..fairly straightforward to travel along a line of latitude by keeping an eye on rising and setting stars….”I can elaborate if you have specific questions. So, there matching DNA markers found in Vanuatu and Chile but it is very rare, maybe Poly. only wanted to settle uninhabited lands. We know the sweet potato is native to the Andes. Did early Poly.'s give women in exchange for s.potato?Purely speculation on my part. 🙂

    January 4, 2009 at 2:24 am #4063 Reply
    Wally
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    Sounds like a good deal to me.  😉

    January 4, 2009 at 2:42 am #4064 Reply
    cadremum
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    [flash=200,200]http://news.gallaudet.edu/?id=11958[/flash]Now I'll try the correct thread, can I call you Phd?Sometimes I just get brain freeze and cannot spell.I think this is the guy, SCOUT! Sorry for the mix up pal. ::)Dr. Spencer Wells

    January 4, 2009 at 7:18 am #4065 Reply
    scout1067
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    Good point Cadremum.  I had heard of this effort but was not very familiar with it.  Thanks for the linkHowever, isnt this all academic?  The “Discovery” that led to large scale colonization of the Americas was that of Columbus.  Everything else is academically interesting but in large part historicaly irrelevant from an effect point of view.

    January 4, 2009 at 2:03 pm #4066 Reply
    Wally
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    … Columbus.  Everything else is academically interesting but in large part historicaly irrelevant from an effect point of view.

    That is about it in my book….

    January 6, 2009 at 5:21 pm #4067 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Maybe Joseph Smith was right all along and we need to give him an apology. 🙂

    January 11, 2009 at 11:20 pm #4068 Reply
    Daniel
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    Websters 1913 Dictionary definition of Discover includes:1. To uncover.2. To disclose; to lay open to view; to make visible; to  reveal; to make known; to show (what has been secret,  unseen, or unknown).


    What Columbus did was make the existence of the “New World” known to those in the “Old World.”  And, of course, those in the “New World” learned of the “Old World.”Commerce and travel between the “worlds”  came into existence. In Latin American Columbus Day is called the Day of the Race as they consider the Mesitzo a new race through into existence by Columbus action. The results of his actions are truly extensive.  His “discovery” changed the history of the world in a way very few other events can match. So I have no problem with crediting him with the discovery of America.  Although doing so is not politically correct.

    January 12, 2009 at 2:55 am #4069 Reply
    Wally
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    …. His “discovery” changed the history of the world in a way very few other events can match. So I have no problem with crediting him with the discovery of America.  Although doing so is not politically correct.

    Agreed; all counts.

    October 13, 2014 at 7:37 pm #4070 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    In honor of Columbus Day, it's time to resurrect the sixth most-viewed thread on the forum!  And one of the oldest threads as well!

    November 17, 2014 at 5:12 pm #4071 Reply
    Aetheling
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    Good news from the stars: revise your History ! Accoding to the Turkish president Erdogan, Muslim sailors reached the American continent in 1178 – exactly 314 years before Columbushttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/16/muslims-discovered-america-erdogan-christopher-columbus

    November 17, 2014 at 7:06 pm #4072 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    When I saw that story a few days ago, I was surprised; I thought that Turkey was a moderate Islamic country.  Perhaps it still is, but when the president makes such an extreme claim, it's not a good sign.  I guess that Islamic historical revisionism is something we may be seeing more of in years to come. 

    November 18, 2014 at 7:04 pm #4073 Reply
    scout1067
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    Turkey has not been a moderate Islamic country since Erdogan's Islamist party came to power over a decade ago.  They have been busy purging the military and judiciary of secularists ever since.  You did not think it was realism keeping Turkey from becoming involved in Syria did you?  It is not, it is because at heart Erdogan, ISIS, and Al Qaeda all share the same ultimate goal, the creation of a worldwide Caliphate.

    November 19, 2014 at 4:50 am #4074 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I don't really pay attention to Turkish politics, but in broader history it seems to have escaped some of what has affected other countries to the east and south.  Maybe that's coming to an end.  At least I used to think of Turkey as a country which stood as an example of a Muslim democracy…

    November 22, 2014 at 5:38 pm #4075 Reply
    den0
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    Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc._______for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.So you have to ask from mother, “Who is my father?” And if she says, “This gentleman is your father,” then it is all right. It is easy.Otherwise, if you makes research, “Who is my father?” go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.( now maybe…maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )same you have to follow real authority. “Whatever You have spoken, I accept it,” Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.Why should you waste your time?_______all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority ” Srila Prabhupada ” he is my spiritual master.im not talking these all things from my own.___________in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.___________________if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit sex, No gambling, No drugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )and 6th ” Main Thing ” is you have to Chant ” hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare “._______________________________If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit sex, no gambling, no drugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.Chant ” hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ” and be happy.if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.____________Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot._________________________Source(s):every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master ” Srila Prabhupada ” )_____________if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( http://www.asitis.com {Bookmark it })read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, sex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.

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