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  • July 18, 2010 at 11:22 pm #21069 Reply
    donroc
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    Lincoln, McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy-Johnson, Bush I&II — where's the general? Most professional military people I have known believe two things: A strong military and civilian leadership prevents war, but if you are going to fight, fight to win with a “winning the peace” strategy in mind as well.

    July 19, 2010 at 12:56 am #21070 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    Anyone who will get our troops back home where they belong, is all I want.  We need a president who understands that America can no longer afford to be the world's policeman.  However, I just don't see any candidate from either party doing much different than what we're doing now.  Outside of Ron Paul that is.

    July 19, 2010 at 7:16 am #21071 Reply
    scout1067
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    Petraeus.  Are you kidding?  He is as tainted by the puzzle palace in Alexandria as much as anybody else.  It is impossible to make flag rank in today?s military without being political.  You don't really think Generals tell us what they really think do you.  If you do, look at what recently happened to GEN McChrystal in Afghanistan.I still think we dont know who the next President will be, one thing I am confident in predicting is that it will not be Obama.

    July 19, 2010 at 11:59 am #21072 Reply
    donroc
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    Yes, those who speak their minds publicly in the military suffer, as we know from Billy Mitchell through MacArthur to McChrystall, Only if Petraeus runs will we know more about him — and playing the political game is a necessary virtue and vice, unless one prefers a dictatorship.By the way, when the political general Eisenhower ran in 1952, he promised to end the Korean War and bring “the boys home,” which the regular pols could not, and he did.

    July 19, 2010 at 12:11 pm #21073 Reply
    scout1067
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    All I can say is, we will see.  I continue to believe that the Republican nominee in 2012 will be a surprise to a lot of people;  probably me included.  That also depends on whether I decide I can get behind whoever the party puts up.  I will only vote the candidate and not party from now on.  I have more hope that the Republicans can put forward a candidate I will support than the Democrats, but it is a slim hope at best.

    July 19, 2010 at 6:45 pm #21074 Reply
    Wally
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    I still think we dont know who the next President will be, one thing I am confident in predicting is that it will not be Obama.

    More is the hope! The perfect bookend to Jimmy Carter.

    July 20, 2010 at 8:08 am #21075 Reply
    scout1067
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    I still think we dont know who the next President will be, one thing I am confident in predicting is that it will not be Obama.

    More is the hope! The perfect bookend to Jimmy Carter.

    More likely just the beginning of another cycle.  History does tend be vaguely cyclic after all.

    July 20, 2010 at 11:13 pm #21076 Reply
    Hunleyfan
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    i hope its Bobby Gendal and Haley Barbour!!

    July 21, 2010 at 1:58 am #21077 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    i hope its Bobby Gendal and Haley Barbour!!

    I can live with those two, but will they just be GOP lapdogs or will they be their own men?

    July 21, 2010 at 6:41 am #21078 Reply
    scout1067
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    Interesting Choices.  I like Barbour but am not convinced that Jindal is the real deal.  Jindal's claim to fame seems to be he is doing everything the Democrats in Louisiana don't want him to do.  I would love to see somebody truly original come along.  Preferably it would be somebody that is beholden to nobody, has original ideas, and has the money to finance a run without having to accept special interest money.The biggest problem is the system itself almost seems as if it is designed to ensure that anyone elected to high office is corrupted by the very process of getting there.

    July 21, 2010 at 2:08 pm #21079 Reply
    donroc
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    Predicting who will run is an exercise in fantasy if not futility — remember Morris' book about Condi running vs. Hillary? I wish they would post “batting” averages for media pundits and ban those who fall below 50% (generous me!).Those who want a Republican Pres. in 2012 should hope for a serious leftist 3rd party to split the dems for insurance the way they hope the tea party will harm the reps.My biggest concern is that the AG will allow SEIU, other union thugs, and Black Panther types to intimidate at the polls along with the registration of additional non-entities and felons a la ACORN.

    July 21, 2010 at 2:16 pm #21080 Reply
    Wally
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    Interesting Choices.  I like Barbour but am not convinced that Jindal is the real deal.  Jindal's claim to fame seems to be he is doing everything the Democrats in Louisiana don't want him to do.  I would love to see somebody truly original come along.  Preferably it would be somebody that is beholden to nobody, has original ideas, and has the money to finance a run without having to accept special interest money.The biggest problem is the system itself almost seems as if it is designed to ensure that anyone elected to high office is cporrupted by the very process of getting there.

    I agree but the last one that fit that bill was Carter (more or less).

    July 21, 2010 at 7:40 pm #21081 Reply
    scout1067
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    donroc,  The Greens have been pretty consistent spoilers for the past 12 years or so at least until the last General election.I remain committed in my thinking that the next Republican nominee is not even on the radar.What I would really like to see is a viable third party, I am not holding my breath.  The Tea Party groups seem to be getting ready to tear themselves apart with infighting.  I even wonder if the Tea Party will stay together through November.  Of course, independence is part of what will tear the Tea Party apart just as much as the pursuit of true freedom is what brought it together in the first place.  I would imagine that keeping the Tea Party going is like herding angry cats.

    July 21, 2010 at 8:27 pm #21082 Reply
    skiguy
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    The Tea Party groups seem to be getting ready to tear themselves apart with infighting.  I even wonder if the Tea Party will stay together through November. 

    I think you're listening to too much leftwing news about this.  The Tea Party is getting stronger and more relevant by the day.  If current WORTHY Republicans don't join them, well I hope they have a job lined up after they lose the next election(s).

    July 22, 2010 at 12:29 am #21083 Reply
    scout1067
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    Ski,Don't get me wrong, I agree with just about everything in the Tea Party platform, if you could say they have a platform.  I do however, think they are letting the attacks on the left get to them.  The Tea Party would be better served by ignoring the carping from the Left about the Tea Party being “racist”.  If they respond to those attacks they fall into the left's trap and let the left set the tone of the debate.  The left wants to detract the Tea Party from talking about what a mess the left itself is creating.  If the left can foment dissension within the Tea Party and in the process discredit them the only winner is the left regardless of the truth in their accusations about the Tea Party.  The Tea Party needs to continue to set the tone of the debate and dismiss as baseless accusations of “racism” or anything else the left attempts to attack them with.  If you think about it, the very fact the left feels the need to engage in character assassination type attacks against the Tea Party movement as a whole points out that the left has no decent answers to the questions and positions of the Tea Partiers.I mean how does the left get away with arguing against more liberty and freedom for American citizens?  The left is essentially dishonest and self-delusional and they cloak their falsehoods with platitudes about helping the downtrodden while their policies continue to ensure that the downtrodden stay that way and furthermore they are then beholden to the government for their very livelihood.  It would appear that the Democrat ?reforms? of the current congress are directed toward increasing the number of people who depend on the government to do something for them.  Healthcare is the poster child for that but the financial bill signed today works toward that goal as well.

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