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  • September 20, 2010 at 9:02 am #18528 Reply
    scout1067
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    I think the media attacks were far worse, especially the personal ones.  But unlike pres. Hopeless, she sure has thick skin.

    Agreed.

    September 20, 2010 at 2:36 pm #18529 Reply
    Aetheling
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    I think the media attacks were far worse, especially the personal ones.   But unlike pres. Hopeless, she sure has thick skin.

    Agreed.

    About Sarah Palin, for sure she's learning fast and can opportunistically adapt to the situation. Let's see when she gonna stand as “The Candidate” ! Big bones and thick skin won't be enough: she's surfing on the TP's wave through a camouflage strategy: former experience showed that TP's voters are not “hoisting their herald on the pavise*” in a senseful way, especially towards GPO's members.(*relating to a Frankish tradition to hoist their new king on a shield)

    September 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm #18530 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    My guess is that no one's going to maneuver into position until after November.Prediction:  if O'Donnell wins, Palin will run.

    September 21, 2010 at 8:26 am #18531 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    I would not expect Palin to announce until late '11 or early '12 if she is going to run at all.  By not announcing she has more freedom to go wherever and say whatever she wants.  I tend to think you are right in that she will run.  I still don't know if I will vote for her.  I want to know what the rest of the field looks like first.BTW, I think the comical attempts to attack Tea Party candidates show how scared and desperate both Democrats and RINO's are.  I am starting to think you are right and we should work to bring the Republican party back to conservative principles rather than try to launch a 3rd party.  The time for a 3rd party is not now, but I think it is coming.  First, let's see what effect the Tea Party has on the Republican Party.  If we can force them back to first principles we will be heading in the right direction.

    September 21, 2010 at 10:44 am #18532 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Agreed

    September 22, 2010 at 8:32 am #18533 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    There is an excellent piece in today's Wall Street Journal by Haley Barbour about why the Tea Party and Republicans should work together to oust the Democrats from Congress and reign in Federal Spending.  His is probably the only argument for Tea Party and Republican working together that makes sense.  It is painfully obvious that The Tea Party is purely fiscally conservative while the Republican Party is only partly fiscally conservative and includes much more than just fiscal conservativism within the party platform.  Tea Party and Republican are not synonymous but they are complementary.

    September 22, 2010 at 12:33 pm #18534 Reply
    arbarnhart
    Participant

    Be careful what you wish for – Obama might happily endorse a Palin candidacy after the boost she gave him last time around. I am doomed to frustration either way. My ideals are very liberal socially – feed everyone, don't shoot anyone and let them do what they please if it doesn't impact others – but 50+ years of exposure to reality (maybe only 45; not sure I should count my late teens and early 20s  8) ) tells me that some people will take advantage and not try to contribute, some people will shoot or bomb us if we don't show some resolve and some activities do have more impact on others than the users believe. On top of that, the government is this ridiculous unwieldy beast of a business when it comes to getting things done for a reasonable cost. Even if I manage to sort through my confused state, it's really difficult to vote my conscience when I am not sure either candidate has one.

    September 22, 2010 at 2:14 pm #18535 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    I still want to see a balanced budget amendment.  I don?t hear any candidates talking about that one though.  I cringe every time I hear the phrase “deficit reduction“.  What is that?  Is that saying I will only borrow ten bucks and not 20 like that is a good thing?  We should be having a national debate about eliminating the deficit, not reducing it.Lastly, government is not a business.  Name one product that government produces?  Properly run government sets the conditions whereby business can function, it does not produce anything by itself though.

    September 22, 2010 at 2:20 pm #18536 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Baby steps. First things first: remove Democrats, stop Obama.  Once that is complete, then we can proceed.

    Obama might happily endorse a Palin candidacy after the boost she gave him last time around.

    Just a different perspective:  McCain wouldn't have got as many votes as he did if it wasn't for Palin. Many Republicans jumped ship until she came along.

    September 22, 2010 at 3:30 pm #18537 Reply
    arbarnhart
    Participant

    Scout,It seems we always have to warm up with a volley of semantics.  :DBusinesses produce goods and/or provide services. Government should be providing some services for our money. They do, but the government conducts business in a fashion that is just mind boggling. The overhead costs they incur on every little thing they do would bankrupt any “normal” business and may yet bankrupt them. If they weren't a step ahead of the paperwork and able to print money as they see fit, they would be bankrupt now.But I will concede the point; government should not considered a business in most contexts.I would definitely support a balanced budget amendment. I am also a proponent of true flat tax with very few exemptions. I believe taxes should be implemented to raise revenue to operate the government, not engineer society.Ski,The small rise and eventual larger fall of the numbers for McCain after Palin joined the ticket seemed to be at least partly due to concern over her qualifications and stance on some issues, but it is a perception and not a fact.

    September 22, 2010 at 6:29 pm #18538 Reply
    donroc
    Participant

    “Lamestream Media” destroyed Palin who could do and say nothing right and excused far less qualified community organizer Obama who could do no wrong for their agenda. People are a bit more more hip to that b.s. today. If O'Donnell wins, it may indeed boost Palin for a serious run. For Obama to lose in 2012, the Republicans need someone not bland like Pawlenty and the rest. Now that Woodward's new book is out, perhaps an angry Petraeus?Advice to Tea Party — compromise with some candidates in the election. A Republican majority gets control of committees. Not to do so give truth to the old clich?, bite off your nose to spite your face.

    September 22, 2010 at 10:01 pm #18539 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    Advice to Tea Party — compromise with some candidates in the election.

    So are you saying we should support or compromise with Republicans who voted for cap & trade and universal healthcare?  No way!!  I'd rather see the Tea Party get behind some blue dogs.

    September 22, 2010 at 11:09 pm #18540 Reply
    donroc
    Participant

    No, I was not suggesting that at all. Any Rep. who supports Cap&Trade and such has to go. I would have voted reluctantly for O'Donnell and still would were I in Delaware. Too late for 2010, but I was thinking ahead to 2012. The TP should do a better job vetting the candidates they intend to support in the primaries — more types like Miller in Alaska.

    September 22, 2010 at 11:30 pm #18541 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    OK, I thought you were going with the Rove strategy. I agree with everything else you're saying.  It's going to take a few years to organize and hopefully grow.    For now maybe the TP can “encourage” some Dems. even if Pelosi and/or Reid stay in control.

    September 22, 2010 at 11:44 pm #18542 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    The Tea Party will be absorbed and assimilated by the GOP.  That movement might move the GOP back to the right, but it can't hope to do much else.  The Two Party Duoaucracy will live on unabated.

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