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  • July 14, 2008 at 3:59 pm #1178 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I didn't know about this, but there is some evidence suggesting that a particular legion in the Romany military (on the losing side of things) ended up in China and founded a city there.  It's #4 on the list of “History's Most Overlooked Mysteries”.

    July 14, 2008 at 4:24 pm #12426 Reply
    Beaumaris
    Participant

    I guess its possible.

    July 16, 2008 at 12:01 am #12427 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    Never heard of it, but it is an intriguing, though far-fetched idea.

    May 19, 2009 at 11:30 pm #12428 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    I find it unlikely.  Did the Roman Empire ever get beyond eastern Mesopotamia?

    May 20, 2009 at 11:21 am #12429 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    The Parthians pretty much spanked the Romans every time they tried to move east.  Crassus lost an entire army in the east at the Battle of Carrhae in 79 B.C. and died to boot trying to invade the Parthian Empire.  That is the source of my disbelief of the myth.  The story also sounds like an episode of the Ten Thousand out of the “Anabasis” of Xenophon.

    September 21, 2010 at 7:05 am #12430 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I was doing some reading about the Battle of Carrhae (in 53 B.C.) and so it seems as if the legend of the “lost legion” is at least plausible.  In answer to Skiguy's question, this legion would have been captured in the battle by the Parthians and relocated further east.  From what I read, the Chinese later captured land held by the Parthians.

    September 26, 2010 at 7:35 am #12431 Reply
    historyscientist
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    I think the story is at least plausible.  There is a story recorded in a number of places that during the Normandy invasions the Americans captured some enemy soldiers who spoke no language that anyone could recognise.  That was until a British NCO who had served in India heard them and understood what they were saying.  It turned out that they were from southern Russia near to Afghanistan.  They had been captured by the Germans invading Russia and carried a third of the way around the world to fight in a war which they presumably had only the haziest idea of. 

    November 29, 2010 at 3:53 pm #12432 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    Here's an essay which theorizes that the Uyghurs could have been responsible for the blond-haired Chinese that exist nowadays in NW China.http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/11/no-romans-needed-to-explain-chinese-blondes/

    November 30, 2010 at 10:00 am #12433 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    The whole idea that there was a “Lost Legion” captured at Carrhae and transported to the east assumes that the Parthians kept the Legion together after their capture.  Why would they do that?  It is much more plausible that nay Legionnaires captured were immediately either executed or sold into slavery.  I cannot think of a good reason for them to keep them together.  If anything Romans were known for being fiercely loyal and that argues strongly for the disbandment if not execution of any legion captured intact.

    November 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm #12434 Reply
    Aetheling
    Participant

    The Tocharian odyssey (Indo-European migrations) is the most relevant one. TMO

    December 1, 2010 at 8:21 am #12435 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    I dont see how linguistic spread speaks to a specific incident involving a Roman legion.  This is especially so given that texts in Tocharian (the language you cite) all date from the 6th to 8th centuries AD, one would expect that if the Language was descended from even vulgate Latin that earlier texts would be extents since it is reasonable to assume that many legionnaires were literate.  Literacy may not have been universal in Rome but it was common, the amount of Graffiti in Pompeii and Herculaneum attest to that.  UT has a pretty good page dealing with Tocharian and many other old languages.

    December 1, 2010 at 3:34 pm #12436 Reply
    Aetheling
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    Tocharian has nothing to do with Latin but about Indo-European migrations. This happening long time ago before Rome even started raising as a significant power.  The lost legion theory is totally irrelevant.

    December 2, 2010 at 2:01 pm #12437 Reply
    scout1067
    Participant

    People and peoples have been migrating for thousands of years for many different reasons.  In fact, the largest human migration in history happened lss than 100 years ago.  I wonder how many of you guys can say what it was?Wouldn't linguistic spread be a better measure of cultural dominance than the movement of people?

    December 2, 2010 at 3:07 pm #12438 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    India?

    December 7, 2010 at 4:30 am #12439 Reply
    abukede
    Participant

    Very unlikely. 

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