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  • June 10, 2008 at 3:25 am #1119 Reply
    Phidippides
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    As the title says, which civilization from the Middle-Eastern region (before Greece) do you think was the most significant (define “significant” as you wish)?

    June 10, 2008 at 9:36 pm #11831 Reply
    skiguy
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    The Persian Empire. Not only significant in size, but for the first time in human history, a ruler used his power to spread human rights instead of destruction.

    June 10, 2008 at 9:55 pm #11832 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    You are referring to Cyrus, no doubt.  I'm not familiar with his role in the spread of “human rights” and I wonder if the ancient conception of this differed from the modern day conception.  However, I must say that the Persian Empire is a good choice.  The standardization of measurements, the means of governing conquered territories, and even military tactics and logistics made it a “superpower” of the ancient world.

    June 10, 2008 at 10:31 pm #11833 Reply
    scout1067
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    I have to agree with Ski and go with the Persians here.  I would say the Chinese, but they had little influence on the west until the late Middle Ages.  I am assuming you want the pre-Greek civilization that influenced the west the most?

    June 10, 2008 at 11:34 pm #11834 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    I have to agree with Ski and go with the Persians here.  I would say the Chinese, but they had little influence on the west until the late Middle Ages.  I am assuming you want the pre-Greek civilization that influenced the west the most?

    Yes, the most influential civilization on the West is what I was asking for.  I have to ask you guys why you did not pick the Egyptians as the most influential.  That would be another tempting choice but perhaps not because of any direct impact they had on the West, but because of indirect influence.

    June 11, 2008 at 12:12 am #11835 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    The Hebrews definitely.  Their influence is still with us today whereas Persia's has been lost in the pages of history.  The Torah eclipses anything that came from the Persians.

    June 11, 2008 at 5:11 am #11836 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    The Hebrews definitely.  Their influence is still with us today whereas Persia's has been lost in the pages of history.  The Torah eclipses anything that came from the Persians.

    Ah, an even better answer.  But Donnie, who would you put at #2?

    June 11, 2008 at 1:52 pm #11837 Reply
    scout1067
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    The Hebrews definitely.  Their influence is still with us today whereas Persia's has been lost in the pages of history.  The Torah eclipses anything that came from the Persians.

    I had not thought of the Hebrews.  You are right here, I got stuck on powerful, the Hebrews have definitely had a huge impact on western society.

    December 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm #11838 Reply
    Aetheling
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    What about the Minoan Civilisation ?They were part of the Bronze Age,  the Aegean civilization, ages before the Dorians settled in Ancient Greece.Could they be considered as pre-Greek people (cfr. Indo-European invasions as a cause of the Bronze Age Collapse) ?

    December 22, 2009 at 3:23 pm #11839 Reply
    skiguy
    Moderator

    What about the Minoan Civilisation ?

    I would say they were a period of Greek history rather than a separate civilization.  But that's just a guess.

    December 22, 2009 at 3:48 pm #11840 Reply
    Phidippides
    Keymaster

    What about the Minoan Civilisation ?They were part of the Bronze Age,  the Aegean civilization, ages before the Dorians settled in Ancient Greece.Could they be considered as pre-Greek people (cfr. Indo-European invasions as a cause of the Bronze Age Collapse) ?

    I'm not sure how significant they were in the scheme of things, but I believe they were somewhat advanced for their time.  Weren't the Minoans the ones who wrote Linear A?

    December 22, 2009 at 4:34 pm #11841 Reply
    scout1067
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    Yeah, but how much lasting influence did the Minoans have?  Not a whole lot, whereas the Hebrew and Persian influence was very far reaching indeed.

    December 22, 2009 at 8:05 pm #11842 Reply
    DonaldBaker
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    I think the Hebrews are far reaching enough to merit their own board here.  The Persians were the antithesis of the Greek civilization (from the Greek point of view).  Persia falls squarely on the side of the Orient instead of the Occident.  Persia simply absorbed Babylon (the cultural core of the Orient) much like Rome did with Greece.

    December 24, 2009 at 5:02 pm #11843 Reply
    Aetheling
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    I'm not sure how significant they were in the scheme of things, but I believe they were somewhat advanced for their time.  Weren't the Minoans the ones who wrote Linear A?

    You're right about Linear A, it was the official script for the palaces and cults and Cretan Hieroglyphs but the Linear A is unrelated to any known language.

    December 29, 2009 at 2:39 pm #11844 Reply
    Pope Urban II
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    Possibly the Etruscans?  There is evidence that they shaped the culture of Rome.Maybe the Hittites?  Were they the precursors to the Minoans and Greeks?  Are they the basis of all Indo-European languages?

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